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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Bargrennan Reply with quote

Not listed on UKNIWM.

Location, inside Bargrennan church at OS Map Ref NX 349 766. I have not found any WW2 memorial that covers this parish.

I got lucky with this one, the windows are quite low and I managed to spot and photograph the memorial through the window of the locked church.





I found one of those listed on a gravestone in the churchyard. Notwithstanding the discrepancy in spelling and date of death, I think it is this man. (SNWM shows him as born in Newton Stewart (the nearest town to Bargrennan).



Name: McCALL, HUGH
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 16/05/1915
Service No: 11036
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 3 and 4.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

report and photo sent to UKNIWM

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that this church is now closed for worship and is likely to be sold. I will try and find out more.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private Ivie Gordon is also listed on the Ewart High School memorial

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=5393

GORDON, IVIE GRAHAM
Initials: I G
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Alberta Regiment)
Unit Text: 31st Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 09/07/1917
Service No: 466779
Additional information: Son of Gilbert and Jeanie Graham Gordon, of Wigtownshire, Scotland; husband of Janet Gordon, of 276, New Cross Rd., London, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 14.
Cemetery: FOSSE No.10 COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION, SAINS-EN-GOHELLE


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I visited the now closed church yesterday and took the photos below. The church is in the final stages of being sold, the pulpit has been sold and the pews are about to go. As a reminder, the civic memorial is inside this church, the men listed are not listed on any other memorial to my knowledge. The memorial is to be removed shortly to a safe place and thereafter is to be included in a newly constructed memorial in the graveyard facing the church. The funds are intended to come from funds raised from the sale of church fittings and a grant from the War Memorials Trust, the application is in preparation. Exact details of the construction are yet to be decided.

The plaque is of marble with a dark stone (slate?) backing.

The session clerk, Mr Michael Dunlop is standing on the intended site of the memorial and the photo of the church is taken from the same spot. On the internal shot of the church, the memorial is to the left and the other plaque is to a former minister and is to remain in the building.







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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Dunlop reports that there are no relatives of any of those listed living within the parish and that no remembrance service has been held there for several years. I hope this is something we can rectify with the new memorial.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great story Paul.

Incidentally this is the second "Canadian" I've seen with the forename IVIE.
Ivie Ferguson Carter is listed on the Rhonehouse School RoH
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2087

Where does that name originate?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More commonly a girl's name it can also be a boy's name. Variation of Ivy.

Forenames used to be less gender specific than they are today. Evelyn Waugh's first wife was named Evelyn!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

update from Michael Dunlop...................

The War Memorial has now been removed to Douglas Swan & Sons' workshop in Kirkcudnright and I am awaiting proposals for its re-erection in the graveyard. Will keep you posted when action has taken place.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A report of the unveiling was published in the Wigtownshire Free Press on 7th July 1921 (page 5). This reveals a couple of puzzles to be solved.

The memorial was unveiled on Sunday 3rd July 1921 by Mrs Fox, Polbae and the service was conducted by the minister Rev Joseph Campbell.

The memorial is described as a 'brass tablet' but it is quite clearly marble. I find it difficult to believe that this small rural parish would raise both a marble and brass tablet. The inscription is given in the newspaper article in full and agrees with the marble plaque.

The real puzzle is that the plaque was unveiled in Knowe Public School. So was this church originally Knowe Public School (it is certainly on a hill)? Or was it originally in another building? If so, where?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: Memorial Transcription Reply with quote

Private Ivie Graham Gordon, 31st Canadians
Private Alexander Hannay, Royal Fusiliers
Lce.Corpl. Robert H. Johnstone, K.O.Sco.Borderers
Private John Kellie, Royal Scots
Private Robert Melrose, M.M. Scots Guards
Private Hugh McCaull, Scots Guards
Private Robert McWhirter, A.&.S. Highlanders
Private Robert McWhirter, Cameron Highlanders
Private Andrew Welsh, King's Own Sco. Borderers
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Ivie Graham Gordon Reply with quote

Name: GORDON, IVIE GRAHAM
Initials: I G
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Alberta Regiment)
Unit Text: 31st Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 09/07/1917
Service No: 466779
Additional information: Son of Gilbert and Jeanie Graham Gordon, of Wigtownshire, Scotland; husband of Janet Gordon, of 276, New Cross Rd., London, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 14.
Cemetery: FOSSE No.10 COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION, SAINS-EN-GOHELLE
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Alexander Hannay Reply with quote

CWGC
Name: HANNAY, ALEXANDER
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Fusiliers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 24/04/1917
Service No: G/47924
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 3.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Robert H. Johnstone Reply with quote

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Name: JOHNSTONE
Initials: R H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Date of Death: 07/12/1916
Service No: 24998
Additional information: Son of William Johnstone, of Cally Mains, Gatehouse, Kirkcudbrightshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 4.
Cemetery: FAUBOURG D'AMIENS CEMETERY, ARRAS

SNMW
Surname: JOHNSTONE
Firstname: Robert
Service Number: 24998
Date Death: 07/12/1916
Place of birth: Minnigaff, Wigtown
Other: 6th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS
Rank: L/Cpl
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:55 pm    Post subject: John Kellie Reply with quote

CWGC
Name: KELLIE, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 13th Bn
Age: 31
Date of Death: 23/04/1917
Service No: 41272
Additional information: Son of John and Jeannie Kellie, of Lochside, Barrhill, husband of Jeannie Kellie, of Bridgend, Barrhill, Ayrshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 1 and 2.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: KELLIE
Firstname: John
Service Number: 41272
Date Death: 23/04/1917
Place of birth: Bargrennan, Kirkcudbrightshire
Other: 13th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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