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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject: Avoch War Memorial, Ross & Cromarty (T) Reply with quote

Avoch War Memorial, Ross & Cromarty
Location: At West end of village. Beside A832.
OS Ref: NH 696 551
Memorial Type: Obelisk

An impressive memorial it is starting to need a little bit of attention to the paintwork.



















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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
BISHOP J.H. KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS PRIVATE
BISSET R. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
BRODIE W. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
CLARKE A. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
DAVIDSON D. ROYAL ENGINEERS SEAMAN
DUNN A.R. CANADIANS PRIVATE
JACK D. BLACK WATCH PRIVATE
LESLIE J. MCP. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MACDONALD D. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MACDONALD J. KING'S OWN YORKSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY PRIVATE
MACINTOSH G. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS SERGEANT
MACINTOSH H. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
MACINTOSH J.S. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MACINTOSH L. CANADIANS PRIVATE
MACKAY W.G. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MACKENZIE K.C. SCOTTISH HORSE PRIVATE
MACKENZIE W. ROYAL FUSILIERS PIPER
MACKERCHAR R.J. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MACKINNON E. ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS MAJOR
MACLEAY D. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MACLEMAN A. CANADIANS PRIVATE
MACLEMAN B. COLDSTREAM GUARDS SERGEANT
MACLEMAN D. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
MACLEMAN D.B. SCOTS GUARDS CORPORAL
MACLEMAN H. ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS PRIVATE
MACLEMAN R. CANADIANS PRIVATE
MACRAE C.A. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS LANCE CORPORAL
MACRAE M. ROYAL SCOTS PRIVATE
MACRAE W.J. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MANN G. TANK CORPS PRIVATE TANKS CORPS
MCLEAN K. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS LANCE CORPORAL
MCSTEPHEN W. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS CORPORAL
PATIENCE G. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS SERGEANT
PATIENCE J.W. ROYAL NAVY PETTY OFFICER FIRST CLASS ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
PATIENCE R. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
PATIENCE W. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
PIRIE D. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
REID D. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
REID J. GORDON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
REID J. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
ROBERTSON J. SOUTH AFRICANS PRIVATE
ROSS A. NEW ZEALANDERS PRIVATE
ROSS D. CANADIANS SAPPER
ROSS D. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
ROSS T.O. CANADIANS SERGEANT DISTINGUISHED CONDUCT MEDAL
SHOBBROOK W. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS ACTING COMPANY SERGEANT MAJOR
SKINNER D. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
SKINNER J. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
SKINNER W. SCOTTISH RIFLES LANCE CORPORAL
SUTHERLAND D. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS SERGEANT
SUTHERLAND D. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS CORPORAL
SUTHERLAND D. AUSTRALIANS LANCE CORPORAL
SUTHERLAND J. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN BOOM DEFENCE
VASS W. HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY LANCE CORPORAL



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
ALLISON WILLIAM ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
DICKSON JOHN ROYAL NAVY STOKER
FINDLAY EVAN SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS LANCE CORPORAL 4TH SEAFORTHS
FINDLAY GEORGE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE 4TH SEAFORTHS
GRANT ALEXANDER CAMERON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE 5TH CAMERONS
JACK ALEXANDER ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
JACK JAMES A. MERCHANT NAVY SEAMAN
JACK ROBERT ROYAL ARTILLERY GUNNER
JCAK JAMES ROYAL NAVY ABLE SEAMAN
LESLIE ALEXANDER MERCHANT NAVY PETTY OFFICER
MCINTOSH ALEXANDER ROYAL NAVY ABLE SEAMAN
MCINTOSH WILLIAM J. ROYAL AIR FORCE FLIGHT SERGEANT
MCKAY HUNTLY ROYAL AIR FORCE PILOT OFFICER
MCLEMAN DONALD ROYAL NAVY SKIPPER ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
MCLEMAN JOHN LEITCH MERCHANT NAVY SEAMAN
MCNAIR ANDREW ROYAL AIR FORCE SERGEANT
PATIENCE DONALD ROYAL NAVY LEADING SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
PATIENCE GEORGE ROYAL ARTILLERY GUNNER
PATIENCE GILBERT SCOTS GUARDS GUARDSMAN
PATIENCE HUGH A. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE 4TH SEAFORTHS
PATIENCE JAMES WILLIAM MERCHANT NAVY PETTY OFFICER
REID DONALD MERCHANT NAVY SEAMAN
REID JAMES NEW ZEALANDERS GUNNER NEW ZEALAND FIELD ARTILLERY
REID JAMES ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
REID JOHN P. ROYAL NAVY SEAMAN
REID THOMAS ROYAL NAVY SECOND HAND ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
SHEARER EDWARD J. SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS LANCE CORPORAL 5TH SEAFORTHS
SUTHERLAND DONALD R.N.S.R. LEADING STEWARD
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jim. I hadn't got round to finishing my transcription.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The surname Patience features on the memorial and I wondered if they are related to Sam Patience who's diary features in the book 'Finest Hour' by Tim Clayton & Phil Craig, Coronet Books, ISBN-10 0340769211.
Its quite a story, Sam Patience was the son of an Avoch fisherman and the youngest of seven sons. He and his sister were the youngest and had to stand eating in the kitchen as there was no room at the table for them. He attended the village school and joined his father's boat when he was 13 and later The New Zealand Shipping Line. He then joined the R.N.R. and in 1939 joined H.M.S. Resolution. On Resolution he served on the gun crews at Mers el Kebir and with the ill-fated expeditionary force to Dakar were the Resolution was torpedoed by a French submarine. Resolution limped to Freetown for repairs and Sam Patience was sent to Nova Scotia to form the crew of a lend-lease destroyer serving as quartermaster.
By a quirk of fate Sam was in a bar in Halifax and met a quartermaster who was desperate to get home and was serving on the armed merchant cruiser Jervis Bay which was stuck waiting for a convoy. Sam's destroyer was ready to leave and so the two got permission from their respective captains to swap postings. Sam Patience fulfilled his boyhood dream and took the wheel of an ocean liner. At 4.55p.m. on 5th November 1940 Jervis Bay was escorting convoy HX84 when a fighting top was sighted on the horizon. This was the German pocket-battle ship Admiral Scheer which opened fire on the convoy. Jervis Bay'sCaptain Edward Fagen immediately turned to engage and in a heroic and very unequal engagement, during which Sam Patience was blown from the forward 6" gun, Jervis Bay was destroyed and sunk though her action saved most of the convoy.
Sam survived and was picked up by a Norwegian merchant ship. He went on to serve on Malta and Arctic Convoys. After the war Sam married and settled in East London were he died in 2000.

**Mode Edit Adam**
Captain Fagen was awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross for the Jervis Bay action
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: AB Donald Patience MN Reply with quote



Unusually, this memorial lists the first who fell.
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Also remembering Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 killed 2 Sep 06 in Afghanistan.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Avoch Reply with quote

Some up-to-date photos and I am pleased to report it has been repainted.




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great recent photos - I see the memorial has been very well cleaned up.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a confusing entry on one of the Great War panels.

Seaman D Davidson R.E.

Does R.E. stand for Royal Engineers and should he be Sapper, or is R.E. a Naval abbreviation?

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also on the WW2 names this man is not listed under R.N. but R.N.S.R.

If you look him up on CWGC and SNWM he's listed as Royal Navy, so no clue to what RNSR stands for.

SUTHERLAND, DONALD
Rank: Leading Steward
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Fidelity
Date of Death: 01/01/1943
Service No: P/LX 24168
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 79, Column 2.
Memorial: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL

SUTHERLAND, Donald
Service number P/LX24168
Date of death 01/01/1943
Place of birth Avoch
SNWM roll ROYAL NAVY AND ROYAL MARINES
Rank Ldg Stwd
Theatre of death R.N. H.M.S. Fidelity. At Sea.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Cpl D B Macleman Scots Guards, Avoch war memorial Reply with quote

Adam
I am just wondering if the above man is actually David Bain MacLennan who was Cpl 6657 Scots Guards, and not Macleman. I have checked for Macleman on CWGC site and no man of this name is listed.
David Bain MacLennan was born Avoch and he was a Northumberland policeman, his parents lived at Pitfour, Rosehaugh, Avoch. I have Maclennan's full history which I can add to the site if I have the correct man.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: Cpl D B MacLeman Scots Guards, Avoch War Memorial Reply with quote

The above man's name has been spelled in a number of ways on different documents so I have obtained his birth certificate, Army Short Service Attestation form and police history to clarify his history.

David Bain McLeman was born on the 6th June 1887 at Bog of Afterflow, Avoch to parents Alexander (general labourer) and Catherine McLeman (nee McLennan) His birth was number 33 of 1887 in the Parish of Avoch in the County of Ross. His parents married on the 8th November 1871 at Avoch.

On the 23rd November 1906 he attested for service with the Scots Guards at Inverness and was allocated the regimental number 6657. His details were entered on the form by the recruiting officer, a Colour Sergeant.
David Bain McLennan aged 19 years 6 months born Avoch, 5'10 in height, occupation farm servant. Next of kin his father Alexander McLennan of Pitfour, Rosshaugh, Avoch. When David signed the form he did so as
D B MacLennan, the letters 'ac' were then crossed out and the letter 'c' entered to make his signature match the surname entered by the Colour Sergeant.
On the 5th December 1906 he was posted to the 1st Battalion in London, and served in the UK. On 4.12.1908 he extended his service to complete 7 years with the colours. He qualified as a marksman and also obtained a machine gun qualification.
25.12.1911 Posted to Egypt where he was appointed unpaid Lance Corporal on 8.8.1911, and paid Lance Corporal on 31.12.1911.
2.1.1913 Returned to UK and on 23.11.1913 transferred to Army Reserve as a Lance Corporal and was paid a gratuity of 7. He informed the army that he intended to join either the London Dock Police or Glasgow Tramways.

Appointed to the River Tweed Police as a water bailiff, (date not known) he resigned this position on 21.2.1914.
6.3.1914 Married Elizabeth Sim Miller of Boldside, Galashiels.

He applied to join Northumberland County Constabulary and gave the following details. Occupation River Tweed Police Officer, 5'10+ in height, age 26 years 7 months, married man living at Boldside, Fishing Lodge, Galashiels.
David Bain MacLennan was appointed to Northumberland County Constabulary on the 16th March 1914 as PC285, 3rd class constable.
16.3.1914 - 30.4.1914 HQ Morpeth (Training)
1.5.1914 Posted Wallsend
4.8.1914 Recalled to the colours, mobilized London on the 5th with the 1st Battalion, Scots Guards as a Private.
13.8.1914 Embarked for France landing at Le Havre
14.9.1914 KIA near Vendresse, France, rank at this time given as Corporal. Commemorated on a memorial at La Ferte-Sous-Jouarre, Seine-et-Marne, France.

From letters with the police after his death, it stated that his father was dead and his mother was living at Pitfour, Avoch.
He had three brothers living in Canada, they were employed as a woodman, mason and carpenter. Another brother was a publican in Glasgow and he had a married sister living in Ross-shire.

20.5.1919 His widow acknowledged receipt of his 1914 Star which was issued by the form to Cpl D B MacLennan, again the 'ac' was crossed out and the letter 'c' entered, however his widow signed for the medal as E S MacLennan.
23.1.1922 His widow acknowledged receipt of his clasp for the 1914 Star and BWM & Victory which were named to Pte D B McLennan, she signed as E S Lockie (possibly remarried)

His name is recorded on Avoch War Memorial as Cpl D B MacLeman and Northumberland County Constabulary War Memorial as L/Cpl D B MacLennan

This man has I hope finally been identified by the above information as the Cpl D B Macleman on Avoch War Memorial.

John

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also on the WW2 names this man is not listed under R.N. but R.N.S.R.
If you look him up on CWGC and SNWM he's listed as Royal Navy, so no clue to what RNSR stands for.

R.N.S.R. - Royal Naval Special Reserve, disbanded c 1960/
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: avoch Reply with quote

I am reliably informed that there is a Church of Scotland, Parish of Avoch Roll of Honour in the Avoch church . There is a list of names on the Roll of Honour and also one with head /Shoulder photographs


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
There's a confusing entry on one of the Great War panels.

Seaman D Davidson R.E.

Does R.E. stand for Royal Engineers and should he be Sapper, or is R.E. a Naval abbreviation?

Adam


David Asprey has kindly contacted us with some information on why this man would have a naval rank when he was in the Royal Engineers:

"Although I see that the CWGC lists him as a sapper, the Army had a sizeable fleet during WW1, particularly a cross-channel supply operation taking supplies via the French river/canal network to the Western Front, run by the Inland Water Transport Directorate of the War Office. It was effectively part of the Royal Engineers. The crews were Army personnel, quite separate from the RN."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the CWGC details for Seaman Davidson

DAVIDSON, D
Rank: Sapper
Service No: 1736
Date of Death: 04/11/1916
Age: 38
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers
Grave Reference 191.
Cemetery: AVOCH PARISH CHURCHYARD
Additional Information: Son of Donald and Jane Davidson, of 27, Dock, Avoch, Ross-shire. Served in the South African Campaign.

I can't see an entry on the SNWM database for him

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