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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Dornoch War Memorial, Sutherland (T) Reply with quote

Dornoch War Memorial
Location: At West End of village at Junction of A949 and B9168
OS Ref: NH 793 898
Number of Great War Names: 70
Number of WW2 Names: 31

A well known Scottish Memorial. A 5th Seaforth Highlander c. 1916 at Beaumont Hamel looks South (more South-West now since he was moved in the 1980s) towards the battlefields. Sculpted by Alexander Carrick.

It is a difficult one to get a good photo of because of the trees behind it. The memorial used to sit in the middle of the road junction.

I believe the inscription is taken from an American Civil War poem. The addition to the plaque beside Sergeant A Sutherland, Hussars, says Medaille Militaire.









I have not posted all the photos I have since the quality was not that good but I have transcribed this memorial and will post all the names.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the names in alphabetical order. On the memorial itself they are by 5th Seaforth, then by rank, then alphabetical; Seaforths, then by rank, then alphabetical; Unit in order of precedence , then by rank, then alphabetical.

1914-1918

CAMERON , William , Private , 8th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
COWIE , David , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
CUMMING , Gabriel , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
DINGWALL , William , Private , Scots Guards
DUFF , George , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
DUFF , John , Private , 6th Bn Scottish Rifles
FRASER , Alexander , Private , Machine Gun Corps
FRASER , Robert , Sergeant , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
GILLESPIE , John A , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
GORDON , Peter , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
GORDON , Robert , Private , 15th Bn Highland Light Infantry
GORDON , William , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
GRANT , Alexander , Private , 5th Bn Cameron Highlanders
GRANT , Donald , Private , 9th Bn The Royal Scots
GRANT , George , Private , 16th Bn The Royal Scots
GRANT , George , Lance Corporal MM , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
GRANT , George , Private , Lovat Scouts
GRANT , John , Private , 5th Bn Canadian Expeditionary Force
GRANT , Richard , Private , 5th Bn Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
GRANT , Thomas , Private , Royal Engineers
HEPBURN , Donald , Sergeant , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
HERD , James A , Sergeant , 4th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
HERD , John B , Lieutenant , 4th Bn Gordon Highlanders
HERD , William , Private , 9th Bn Royal Highlanders (Black Watch)
McCULLOCH , Thomas , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacDONALD , David C , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacDONALD , Kenneth J , Private , 6th Bn Gordon Highlanders
MacDONALD , William , Captain , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , A , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , Alexander , Private DCM , 2nd Bn Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
MacKAY , Donald , Private , 9th (Highland) Bn The Royal Scots
MacKAY , Donald , Lance Sergeant MM , 7th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , Donald , Private , 7th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , James , Lance Corporal , 1st Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , James , Lance Corporal , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , John , Private , New Zealand Machine Gun Corps
MacKAY , Simon , Private , 6th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , Walter M , Lance Corporal , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , William , Private , 12th Bn Highland Light Infantry
MacKAY , William D , Piper , 8th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacKENZIE , George , Private , 6th Bn Highland Light Infantry
MacKENZIE , Robert , Sergeant MM , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
McLACHLAN , John , Private , 4th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MacNEIL , John , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MATHESON , John , Private , Highland Light Infantry
MATHESON , Walter , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MATHESON , William , Private , 6th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MUNRO , Hugh , Private , 4th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MUNRO , Hugh , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MUNRO , Hugh , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MUNRO , John S , Lieutenant , Royal Army Medical Corps
MURRAY , A , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MURRAY , Angus , Corporal , Machine Gun Corps
MURRAY , Alexander , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MURRAY , George , Private , 6th Bn Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
MURRAY , S , Private , Yorkshire Regiment
MURRAY , William , Sergeant , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MURRAY , William G , Lieutenant , 7th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
MURRAY , William , Private , 6th Bn Gordon Highlanders
ROSS , David , Sergeant , 1st Bn SeaforthHighlanders
ROSS , George , Private , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
ROSS , John , Sergeant , 1st Bn Cameron Highlanders
ROSS , John D , Private , 19th Bn Canadian Expeditionary Force
ROSS , Thomas P , Private , Machine Gun Corps
SUTHERLAND , Alexander N , Sergeant Med. Mil. , 11th Hussars
SUTHERLAND , Andrew , Private , 8th Bn Royal Highlanders (Black Watch)
SUTHERLAND , Hugh A , Private , 27th (Tyneside Irish) Bn. N'land Fusiliers
SUTHERLAND , William , Lance Corporal , 5th Bn Seaforth Highlanders
WADELL, T.B. , Thomas B , 2nd Lieutenant , 4th Bn Seaforth Highlanders

1939-1945


ALEXANDER , William G , Leading Seaman , Royal Navy Patrol Service
BUDGE , Andrew C , Captain , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
FRASER , J , Corporal , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
GARVIE , Douglas , Corporal , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
GILLIE , Benjamin E , Leading Seaman , Royal Naval Reserve
GORDON , George , Signaller , Royal Artillery
GUNN , Donald , Sergeant , 5th Bn The Hampshire Regiment
HARRISON , George W , Lance Corporal , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
INNES , William J B , Flying Officer , Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
KENNEDY , George G , Private , 6th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
McALISTER , Thomas , Corporal , 1st Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
MacDONALD , I R , Flying Officer , Royal Air Force
MacDONALD , John M , Sergeant , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
MacGREGOR , E A , Driver , Royal Air Force
MacKAY , Angus S , Gunner , Airlanding Light Regiment Royal Artillery
MacKAY , Donald , Sergeant , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
MacKAY , John L , Ordinary Seaman , Merchant Navy
MacKAY , P , Leading Seaman , Merchant Navy
MacKAY , Thomas , Leading Seaman , Royal Naval Reserve
MacKENZIE , John , Private , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
MacLEOD , George , Sergeant , Royal Air Force
MATHESON , John M , Private , 2nd Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
MATHESON , Marcus S , Driver , Royal Army Service Corps
MURRAY , James L , Lance Corporal , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
MURRAY , Lilly , Sister , Queen Alexandra’s I.M. Nursing Service
MURRAY , W , Sergeant , Royal Air Force
ROSS , Alexander , Able Seaman , Royal Navy Patrol Service
ROSS , James R , Flight Sergeant , Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
ROSS , John , Private , 23rd Rifle Bn. New Zealand Force
SUTHERLAND , Stuart R , Lieutenant , The Wiltshire Regiment
SWANSON , Donald , Lance Corporal , 5th Bn The Seaforth Highlanders
TURNER , James , Sergeant , 218 Squadron, Royal Air Force



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dornoch is another memorial added to my "must visit" list.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unveiled 7/6/1922 by the Duke of Sutherland.
The memorial design featuring the seven foot bronze figure of a Seaforth Highlander 'After the Battle', standing on a 12 foot pedestal of dressed sandstone from the Black Pasture Quarries of Northumberland was entirely the concept of Edinburgh sculptor Alexander Carrick who even took responsibility to the alterations to the layout of the road junction. I think Dornoch is a good example of Carrick's work. Most sculptors of the period were confined to their studios in Edinburgh, Glasgow and other cities, producing small sketch models or statuettes of 'imaginative works' and allegorical figures suitable for war memorials. These were exhibited at the annual exhibitions and visiting architects might deem them suitable for their monument and commission the sculptor to produce a full scale bronze. The upshot of this was that the artists had no connection with the community they were producing the work for. By contrast Carrick often worked direct for the war memorial committees, employing an architect to draw up his own designs. In the case of Dornoch, after being invited to submit designs by the Dornoch committee he got on a train and travelled to Dornoch itself. Probably he would have toured the various proposed sites for the memorial with the site sub-committee, offering his opinion on each of them. No doubt he would have enjoyed a meal and a drink with some of the members before returning home (as sculptor and ex-serviceman he also attended the unveiling). This enabled him to produce a work which was unique to the community. During his visit he discovered that the present site of the memorial was also the site of the 'Tor-an-Roy', a battle which had taken place between the men of the burgh and a marauding war party of the Clan MacKay (times change and there are several MacKays listed on the memorial). In later times it was also the site of 'The Receiving House' an old Coach House. Although an important Burgh Dornoch would have been very isolated until the coming of the railroads and it was here that news from the outside world traditionally first arrived in the community. Carrick took these two ideas as his inspiration for his sculpture, a soldier returning to the lines after the battle awaiting news of his comrades who have not yet returned. In his memorial he therefore created an image which was at once a moving comment on the experiences of many servicemen and relatives during the Great War, and at the same time tapped into the cultural history of the site and the community itself.
There is more information on Carrick at the website:
www.alexandercarrick.webeden.co.uk



Above - A close up of Carrick's Highlander taken some years ago when it had received a polyeurethane wet-look paint job. Fortunatelly this has since been removed and the patina of the bronze restored.

Above - The soldier's view as he scans the horizon over the Dornoch Firth.

Above - Sorry about the quality, this is a photograph of Carrick's original clay sculpture of the Dornoch soldier. Carrick was extremely busy working on several war memorials in the early 1920's which is probably why he didn't notice that he had forgotten to include the sling of the soldier's rifle on the sculpture. Fortunately the bronze foundry, Singers in England, noticed the omission and fitted one to the rifle for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The words on the memorial are taken from an American poem first written after the Mexican–American War of 1846-48 by Theodore O'Hara

It was written in memory of the Kentucky Volunteers killed in the war, O'Hara had served with them, and was widely used on American war memorials from the American Civil War onwards.
The same lines are used on the American memorial on Islay to the two US Transport ships sunk in 1918.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=255

From: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/bivouac.htm

Bivouac Of The Dead

The muffled drum's sad roll has beat
The soldier's last tattoo;
No more on Life's parade shall meet
That brave and fallen few.
On fame's eternal camping ground
Their silent tents to spread,
And glory guards, with solemn round
The bivouac of the dead.


No rumor of the foe's advance
Now swells upon the wind;
Nor troubled thought at midnight haunts
Of loved ones left behind;
No vision of the morrow's strife
The warrior's dreams alarms;
No braying horn or screaming fife
At dawn shall call to arms.

Their shriveled swords are red with rust,
Their plumed heads are bowed,
Their haughty banner, trailed in dust,
Is now their martial shroud.
And plenteous funeral tears have washed
The red stains from each brow,
And the proud forms, by battle gashed
Are free from anguish now.

The neighing troop, the flashing blade,
The bugle's stirring blast,
The charge, the dreadful cannonade,
The din and shout, are past;
Nor war's wild note, nor glory's peal
Shall thrill with fierce delight
Those breasts that nevermore may feel
The rapture of the fight.

Like the fierce Northern hurricane
That sweeps the great plateau,
Flushed with triumph, yet to gain,
Come down the serried foe,
Who heard the thunder of the fray
Break o'er the field beneath,
Knew the watchword of the day
Was "Victory or death!"

Long had the doubtful conflict raged
O'er all that stricken plain,
For never fiercer fight had waged
The vengeful blood of Spain;
And still the storm of battle blew,
Still swelled the glory tide;
Not long, our stout old Chieftain knew,
Such odds his strength could bide.

Twas in that hour his stern command
Called to a martyr's grave
The flower of his beloved land,
The nation's flag to save.
By rivers of their father's gore
His first-born laurels grew,
And well he deemed the sons would pour
Their lives for glory too.

For many a mother's breath has swept
O'er Angostura's plain --
And long the pitying sky has wept
Above its moldered slain.
The raven's scream, or eagle's flight,
Or shepherd's pensive lay,
Alone awakes each sullen height
That frowned o'er that dread fray.

Sons of the Dark and Bloody Ground
Ye must not slumber there,
Where stranger steps and tongues resound
Along the heedless air.
Your own proud land's heroic soil
Shall be your fitter grave;
She claims from war his richest spoil --
The ashes of her brave.

Thus 'neath their parent turf they rest,
Far from the gory field,
Borne to a Spartan mother's breast
On many a bloody shield;
The sunshine of their native sky
Smiles sadly on them here,
And kindred eyes and hearts watch by
The heroes sepulcher.

Rest on embalmed and sainted dead!
Dear as the blood ye gave;
No impious footstep here shall tread
The herbage of your grave;
Nor shall your glory be forgot
While Fame her record keeps,
For honor points the hallowed spot
Where valor proudly sleeps.

Yon marble minstrel's voiceless stone
In deathless song shall tell,
When many a vanquished ago has flown,
The story how ye fell;
Nor wreck, nor change, nor winter's blight,
Nor time's remorseless doom,
Can dim one ray of glory's light
That gilds your deathless tomb.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a cracking memorial, well maintained, and in a beautiful setting.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.historylinksarchive.org.uk/list.asp?field=groups&crit=12

[site no longer active]

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of the entries on the historylinks pages used data I provided to them a couple of years ago. They were happy to use my data but didn't bother to pass anything extra they found back to me. Makes you wonder why you bother sometimes.

Anyway, my data along with entries for other Sutherland war dead can be found on the forum here:

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewforum.php?f=143

It looks like one of the Sutherland Rolls I have been looking for has turned up too:

http://www.historylinksarchive.org.uk/picture/number7686.asp

Note the similarity between the "Dornoch and District Roll" and the "Sutherlandshire (c)" Roll.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1590

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good summary and photos of all WW1 Dornoch memorials on Historylinks Museum,Dornoch on Google
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Nursing Sister L. Murray on record who died as a result of the sinking of the SS Tanjong Penang during the Singapore evacuation of February 1942.

With no indication that my L. Murray has a Scottish connection I wonder is the Sister Lilly Murray listed above?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony

You have the right Sister Murray. Her brother Angus is listed amongst the Great War dead.

From: http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=989

MURRAY, Lilly
Rank: Sister
Unit: Queen Alexandra’s Imperial Military Nursing Service
Died: At Sea S.S. ‘Tanjong Penang’ 17th Februray 1942 Malaya
Parents: Peter (a Joiner) and Margaret (Mackay) Murray of Dornoch
Home: Dornoch
Job: Nurse
Memorials: Listed on the Dornoch War Memorial, along with her brother Angus (WW1)

Do you know where Sister Murray is buried or commemorated by the CWGC?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam

Thanks, obviously no grave but commemorated by CWGC -

Name: MURRAY
Initials: L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Nursing Sister
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Date of Death: 17/02/1942
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: S.S. "TANJONG PENANG"

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony

Thanks. I see she is listed as a civilian on CWGC and not QAIMNS. Does that mean she is not commemorated on a CWGC memorial, only in the database?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam

That is a point that I am going to take up but I have to obtain official confirmation that she was QAIMNS. I am going to contact QARANC HQ (Successors to QAIMNS) to see what they have to say.

Just found another Scottish Singapore casualty, opened a new thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
Tony

You have the right Sister Murray. Her brother Angus is listed amongst the Great War dead.


MURRAY, Lilly
Rank: Sister
Unit: Queen Alexandra’s Imperial Military Nursing Service
Died: At Sea S.S. ‘Tanjong Penang’ 17th Februray 1942 Malaya
Parents: Peter (a Joiner) and Margaret (Mackay) Murray of Dornoch
Home: Dornoch
Job: Nurse


Adam

Can you say where you obtained the above details it might save a bit of time?

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