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IanA



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Kirkurd Reply with quote

In an enclosure at the side of the road just south of Blyth Bridge. A striking conical stone structure containing a detailed memorial of those who fell in the great war.

Alexander David Gibson-Carmichael
Sub Lieut R.N., Lost in submarine
23rd Aug 1916. Aged 21.

Thomas Alexander Grant Miller
Lieut 1st KOSB. Killed at the landing in Gallipoli
26th April 1915. Aged 21.

Archibald William Buchanan Miller
Lieut 1st KOSB, Attached RAF. Killed over Gheluvelt
Belgium 13th July 1917. Aged 21.

Robert Dickson
Lieut Acting Captain DCM 7th Durham L.I.
Killed in France 27th May 1918. Aged 26.

William Ballantyne
Sec Lieut 2nd Black Watch. Killed at Hulluch
France 13th Oct 1915. Aged 25.

John Ballantyne
Pte Australian Imperial Force. Killed in France
30th Sept 1915. Aged 36.

William Telfer
Pte Army Cyclists Corps, Died of wounds
in France. 1st Oct 1916. Aged 26.

David Henderson Welsh
Pte 8th R.S. Died of wounds in England
14th Aug 1916. Aged 22.

Erected by the heritors, members and adherents of Kirkurd Parish Church and relatives of those commemorated.

Unveiled by Lady Carmichael 27th Sept 1919.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having checked on the CWGC site, I am posting a few discrepancies/ items of interest.

A D Gibson-Carmichael - CWGC has his date of death as 22.8.16.

The two Millers on the memorial were brothers.

A W B Miller was buried in a German cemetery and relocated at Harlebeke. The memorial should, of course, have 'RFC' not 'RAF'.

CWGC has Robert Dickson as a major.

John Ballantyne does not appear on the CWGC site.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the CWGC entry for the Naval Officer

Name: GIBSON-CARMICHAEL, ALEXANDER DAVID
Initials: A D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sub-Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M. S/M "E16"
Age: 21
Date of Death: 22/08/1916
Additional information: Son of John M. and Amy K. Gibson of Maida Vale, London. Native of Peeblesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 11.
Memorial: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL

HM Submarine E16 was lost off Heligoland in 1916 with 31 crew. Its commander was Kenneth Duff-Dunbar DSO of Ackergill Tower in Caithness and is listed on the Ackergill & Hempriggs War Memorial. Duff-Dunbar’s son, born 3 months after his death, was killed in action in 1944 whilst serving with the 7th Bn Seaforth Highlanders in Normandy. I don’t know if he is listed on the same memorial but I would be surprised if he isn’t.

Trawling through the web threw up that the remains of E16 was found again in 2004 by a German survey company.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found John Ballantyne on CWGC

Name: BALLANTYNE
Initials: J G
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 53rd Bn.
Date of Death: 30/09/1918
Service No: 4528/A
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. G. 14.
Cemetery: TINCOURT NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops! Sorry about that! I was working from the list which Derek modifies as memorials get covered. I was looking at Blyth Bridge (still to be done, according to the list) and I decided that, given the dedication and location, it certainly should go under 'Kirkurd'.

I claim no photographic superiority and think the posts should be merged.

No idea how I missed Ballantyne - I entered him as 'Australian' and then as 'unknown' but wasn't getting anywhere. Thanks for that.

Cheers,

Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spoons wrote:

I don't think we want to have 2 postings for the same memorial, but your photos are definately better than mine - however I don't want to spoil any links that already exist. Perhaps the safest would be for one of the mods to sort it out - quite happy to have mine deleted if that seems the most sensible.

Gents,
I noticed the double entry last night and I have no way of merging the 2 threads into 1.
So which one of you would like to fall on his sword and move their postings to the other thread? Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the stranges memorials I have seen, both in its construction and the great detail of the inscriptions. If only they were all like that.

UKNIWM Ref: 13316

OS Map Ref: NT 120 440
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AND UKNIWM Ref: 6044

It looks like it has been listed twice by the UKNIWM.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Obviously the same one!!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IanA wrote:
I agree. Obviously the same one!!


UKNIWM Ref: 6044
STONE CONE SET IN ELEVATED ENCLOSUE WITH FLOWER BEDS AND SURROUNDED BY RAILINGS. REACHED BY STEPS

UKNIWM Ref: 13316
VERY UNUSUAL CONICAL STONE MONUMENT SURMOUNTED BY A CROSS WITH INSET INSCRIPTION PANEL ON FRONT FACE


I think that "CONICAL" is the giveaway word in this instance Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The World War One submarine E16 has been located in Helgoland Bight, a part of the North Sea to the south of Jutland.
The German dive team used Draeger Dolphin rebreathers. It took measurements, stills and video footage of the wreck, which it has shared with the U-boat Museum in Germany and the Submarine Museum in Gosport.
The E-class submarines proved very successful at harassing Germen shipping. E16 was responsible for sinking the destroyer V188 in July 1915, and the U-6 in September 1915. She went missing on 22 August, 1916 after heading towards the Dutch island of Terschelling.
The submarine E38 reported seeing a number of German warships in the vicinity, and splashes suggesting that they were laying depth charges. The commander of the E16 at the time of her sinking was Lieutenant-Commander Kenneth Duff-Dunbar, heir to the Dunbar title and a 15th century castle, Ackergill Tower, in Wick
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: THE MILLER BROTHERS Reply with quote

They were the sons of the Rev&Mrs TDMiller who retired from Kirkurd to Perth.Their grandfather was the Head of Perth Academy,They are commemorated by a stained glass window and accompanying plaque in St Johns Kirk in Perth.
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