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jamiemcginlay



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Taynuilt Reply with quote

Taynuilt - Argyll & Bute, Lorn District

The Taynuilt war memorial is a tall rustic grey granite pedestal supporting a granite sculpture of a highland infantryman with head bowed and arms reversed. The commemoration and names of the dead are listed in lead lettering on a smooth granite tablet set into the face of the pedestal.
The monument stands at the corner of a road junction in the middle of the village.









WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
Black John Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Brochroy
Campbell Archibald Scottish Horse Shore Cottage
Campbell Duncan Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 9th Airds
Campbell Peter Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 9th Clachadow
Fisher Malcolm Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 14th Ach-n-annait
Fraser John McNiven Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Lorn Furnace
George James Canadians Royal Engineers Pass of Awe
Johnston John Black Watch Taynuilt
Livingston Archibald Seaforth Highlanders Glen Etive
Livingston James Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Glen Etive
Livingston John Glen Etive
MacBean James Scottish Hrs. Inverawe
MacBean John Royal Field Artillery Inverawe
MacBean William Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Second Lieutenant Inverawe Killed 12/5/1916 Additional memorial on bench near monument erected by officers of 11th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
MacCall Alexander Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Dalfern
MacCall Donald Scottish Hrs. Blackmill
MacCall John Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 13th Blackmill
MacDonald Donald Royal Field Artillery Lakefield
MacDonald Duncan Royal Field Artillery Lakefield
MacDougall Archibald Royal Scots Fusiliers Lorn Furnace
MacDougall John Cameron Highlanders 7th Lochandhu
MacGreavy Alexander Royal Field Artillery Taynuilt
MacGregor John C. Cameron Highlanders 4th Reverend Edinburgh
MacGregor Peter 2nd Rhodesians Brochroy
MacInnes Angus Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Creagmhor
MacIntyre Alexander G. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Island Ferry
MacKechnie Angus Black Watch Kirkton
MacLachlan Finlay Royal Scots Fusiliers Laroch
MacLarty Alexander Royal Engineers Ichrachan
MacMaster Angus Royal Navy Glen Etive
MacNicol Neil Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 8th Lochandhu
MacPhee Duncan Royal Scots Bridge of Awe
Nelson Thomas A. Lothian & Border Horse ? Achnacloich
Newton Alexander Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 9th Taynuilt
Scott John Royal Field Artillery Glen Etive


WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
BELL JAMES FLYING OFFICER DISTINGUISHED FLYING MEDAL
CAMPBELL A.S. SERGEANT
CAMPBELL D. GUNNER
DICKSON R. MAJOR
FINLAY C.A. PRIVATE
FLEMING D. SERGEANT
HUNTINGTON A.C. MAJOR M.V.O.
LEVENSON S.A. W.O.
MACGREGOR D. PRIVATE
MACLARTY E.F. SISTER
MACLEOD N. PILOT OFFICER
REFFIN J. SERGEANT
SINCLAIR A.J. AUXILIARY TERRITORIAL SERVICE PRIVATE


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie,
You've trancsribed three of the fallen as follows:

WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
Campbell Archibald Scottish Highland Regiment Shore Cottage
MacBean James Scottish Highland Regiment Inverawe
MacCall Donald Scottish Highland Regiment Blackmill

I think in fact the inscription reads "Scottish Hrs" meaning "Scottish Horse" rather than "Scottish Highland Regiment"

I can find no Medal Index Cards for these three men under "Scottish Highland Regiment" at the National Archive. In fact I could not find ANY MICs under "Scottish Highland Regiment"!

Conversely I was able to find plausible MIC Index entries using "Scottish Horse" (though I had to use the "Mc" spelling instead of the "Mac" used on the Memorial). I have not done any further cross checking however.

What do you think?
Cheers,
Mark
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Mark,

Welcome to the Forum.

I've identified one of those you mentioned although as you'll see, there is a discrepancy in the surname spelling between how it's spelt on the memorial and what's on CWGC and SNWM.

Name: McBEAN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 13th13th (Scottish Horse) Bn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 17/10/1918
Service No: 315765
Additional information: Son of Hugh and Christina McBean, of Inverawe, Taynuilt, Argyll.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. B. 19.
Cemetery: HIGHLAND CEMETERY, LE CATEAU

Surname McBEAN
Firstname James
Service Number 315765
Date Death 17/10/1918
Place of birth Taynuilt Argyllshire
Other 13th Bn. formerly 1078 Scot. Horse.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Sgt
Theatre of death F.& F.

Surname McBEAN
Firstname James
Service Number 1078
Date Death 17/10/1918
Place of birth Taynuilt Argyllshire
Other latterly 315765 13th Bn. The Black Watch (Royal Highrs).
SNWM roll SCOTTISH HORSE YEOMANRY
Rank Sgt
Theatre of death F.& F.

Quite often on memorials, ranks and regiments are shortened to MANY weird and wonderful things and our aim is to transribe them as they appear, not what we either think they should be, or find out later to be correct. It's not only ranks and regiments either - sometimes names can be obscurely spelt, but on our transcriptions, they are always listed the way they appear.

In this case, as you've pointed out, the regiment is 'Horse' rather than 'Highland'.

Anne
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MBrockway



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Anne - CWGC was my next stop as I don't have access to the SDGW!

Here are the Medal Index Card Index search results I found on the National Archive:

Six Archibald Campbell MIC Index entries for Scottish Horse

Two MIC entries for James McBean, 1078, Scottish Horse, later Black Watch

MIC entry for Donald McCall, 4789, Scottish Horse

You've definitely got the same James MacBean/McBean as I have!
Cheers,
Mark
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Mark,
Thanks for the correction, much appreciated, and sorry for the delay in the response.
I have altered the entries above and have listed Archibald Campbell's regiment as Scottish Horse since this seems certain (also thanks Anne for the info).
Cheers.
Jim
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is strange, the statue is wearing a Tam o'Shanter with the cap badge of the Gordon Highlanders. Given this village is in Argyll and no Gordon Highlander is listed on the Great War panel it doesn't seem to make sense. I would have thought an Argylls badge or a steel helmet would be more appropriate.

I take it the statue came from Aberdeenshire. Was it originally destined for a North-East location but eventually ended up in Taynuilt?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received the following via email from John Macfarlane:

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Your members may wish to know that I published a booklet several years ago which recorded the life history, stories and service details of the WW1 soldiers on TAYNUILT war memorial to finance the plaque recording the WW2 casualties. It was a sell out. Copies are in the Argyll and Bute Council Central Library and in the National Library. The Gordon cap badge was an expensive mistake which caused much heartache locally in what is staunchly 8th Argyll and Sutherland Highlander territory.


Interesting to know that the Gordons cap badge was an error.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I take it the statue came from Aberdeenshire. Was it originally destined for a North-East location but eventually ended up in Taynuilt?

I doubt this memorial was originally destined for Aberdeenshire. They were created on a very much to order basis. Interesting the Gordon cap badge was found to be an " expensive mistake ". It could have been that a Gordon Highlander figure was used, precisely, because there are none on this memorial and so he is neutral and not linked directly to the area.

It was likely produced in a granite works in Aberdeen and possibly the work of Robert Morrison while working for Morren or Stewart and Co.
Check out the similarity with those at Tarland, New Elgin, Tough, Ballachulish and Portsoy which are attributed to him, and likely from the same pattern.

Tough
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister E.F. McLarty and Private J.J. Sinclair, ATS neither on CWGC or SNWM
Any details?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: MacLarty & Sinclair Reply with quote

Tony,

I cannot find either on CWGC or SNWM either.

Elizabeth Flora MacNiven MacLarty, a Hospital Nurse (unmarried) died on 21st April 1944 at Southfield Sanatorium, Edinburgh of Pulmonary T.B. aged 29. Her home address was Glen Etive, Taynuilt.

From this obituary notice it appears she was released from the Q.A.I.N.S. before she died.

(Glasgow Herald Saturday 22nd of April 1944)


Anna Jane Sinclair, single (no profession given) died on 26th February 1946 at Taynuilt aged 24. She died of Pulmonary T.B.

Cheers,
Derek.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elizabeth Flora MacNiven MacLarty

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From this obituary notice it appears she was released from the Q.A.I.N.S. before she died.


It might be that she was medically discharged, but you would require her NOK to obtain ( at a cost) her service file to confirm it.

It seems odd that the DC gives TB as the cause and the obit gives pneumonia.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Rev John Campbell MacGregor Reply with quote

jamiemcginlay wrote:
MacGregor John C. Cameron Highlanders 4th Reverend Edinburgh


SNWM add ten days to date of death and the newspaper obit gets regiment attachment wrong. CWGC double barrell the middle name and surname.

Also listed upon the Ministers memorial at St Giles Cathederal.

(Glasgow Herald 11th of November 1916)
"Died of wounds on the 4th last, the Rev. John Campbell MacGregor, attached Scottish Rifles. minister of St. Oran's Parish, Edinburgh, aged 46 years."

CWGC
Name: CAMPBELL-MACGREGOR, The Rev. JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Chaplain 4th Class
Regiment/Service: Army Chaplains' Department
Secondary Regiment: Cameron Highlanders
Secondary Unit Text: attd. 4th Bn.
Age: 46
Date of Death: 04/11/1916
Additional information: Minister of St. Oran's Parish Church, Edinburgh. A native of Taynuilt, Argyll. Son of John MacGregor and Catherine Campbell.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 5.
Cemetery: JANVAL CEMETERY, DIEPPE

SNWM
Surname: MacGREGOR
Firstname: John Campbell
Date Death: 14/11/1916
SNWM roll: ARMY CHAPLAINS DEPARTMENT
Rank: Rev
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Rev John Campbell MacGregor Reply with quote

DelBoy wrote:
MacGregor John C. Reverend, Edinburgh

Also listed upon the Ministers memorial at St Giles Cathederal.


And the Kingsknowe Golf Club memorial in Edinburgh.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Rev John Campbell MacGregor Reply with quote

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CWGC double barrell the middle name and surname.


CWGC do not create the details in Additional information, this is down to his NOK. In this case they verified CAMPBELL-MACGREGOR twice.
I understand he is also listed as such by the Army Chaplainsí Dept Museum.
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