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Forth Royal Garrison Artillery - St Giles Cathedral (T*)

 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Forth Royal Garrison Artillery - St Giles Cathedral (T*) Reply with quote

This is a WW1 memorial UKNIWM Ref: 8763

with the WW2 memorial UKNIWM Ref: 8764 fixed to the bottom of it





and the WW2 memorial

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can actually find all the names on this memorial on the SDGW CD-Rom. I know that because I transcribed it and looked them up a couple of years ago. Unfortunately I think I've lost the transcription.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see (presumably) 2 late additions to the WW2 memorial
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And a transcription:

1914-1918
TO THE MEMORY OF OUR COMRADES OF
THE FORTH ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY
WHO FELL IN THE GREAT WAR

1914-1918

ADAMS , Alexander , Corporal
ADAMSON , Arthur J , Gunner
ANDERSON , James , Gunner
ANDERSON , Robert , Sergeant
ARTHUR , John , Gunner
BEASLEY , John , Bombardier
BECKHAM , Edwin G , Gunner
BENSON , Thomas H , Gunner
BETT , Charles , Bombardier
BRAIDWOOD , John , Corporal
BREMNER , James , Sergeant
BUTTERFIELD , Arthur , Gunner
CALLANDER , Robert , Gunner
CARMICHAEL , Donald , Gunner
CARMICHAEL , Robert , Gunner
CARNIE , Robert , Gunner
CHALMERS , Henry , Bombardier
CORBETT , Lewis , Gunner
CORTEEN , Thomas A , Gunner
CRAIG , John D L , Gunner
CRUICKSHANKS , James , Bombardier
DAIR , David , Gunner
DICK , William , Gunner
DOIG , Adam S , Gunner
ELLIOT , William , Gunner
FAICHNEY , John , Gunner
FERGUSON , James , Gunner
FERGUSON , John , Gunner
FERGUSON , Robert , Gunner
FORREST , William , Gunner
FOWNES , Henry H , Captain
FRY , Edwin H S , Lieutenant
GALLOWAY , Henry , Battery Quartermaster Sergeant
GILMOUR , Walter B , Bombardier
GRAHAM , William , Gunner
GUNN , George E , Gunner
HAY , David , Gunner
HENDERSON , Charles , Gunner
HENDERSON , David A , Gunner
HENDERSON , William B , Gunner
HOLTON , John , Gunner
HUDGHTON , James , Battery Quartermaster Sergeant
HUNTER , Archibald J , Gunner
INNES , John B , Gunner
JAMIESON , William , Gunner
JARDINE , Charles , Sergeant
JARDINE , Walter , Bombardier
KINNEAR , Alexander , Bombardier
LAMB , Peter , Gunner
LILBURN , William , Gunner
LINDSAY , J H , Captain
LOMAX , Arthur M , Gunner
LORIMER , F , Battery Sergeant Major
LUKE , John C , Gunner
MARNOCK , David , Gunner
McDONALD , Robert A , Corporal
McDONALD , Charles , Gunner
McGILL , David , Gunner
McGILL , William , Gunner
McGUFFIE , Robert J , Gunner
McKENZIE , Albert , Sergeant
McKERCHER , George E , Gunner
McLAREN , Robert , Gunner
McPHERSON , Daniel , Gunner
MELROSE , James D L , Captain
MENZIES , Samuel , Gunner
METCALFE , Thomas , Gunner
MILLER , A C , Captain
MOFFAT , William W , Gunner
MORRIS , Robert C , Lieutenant
MORRIS , Andrew , Bombardier
MUIR , Joseph , Sergeant
MURDOCH , James , Gunner
MURRAY , Robert B , Gunner
NEAL , George H , Gunner
NICHOLSON , Alexander , Battery Sergeant Major
NICOL , James , Acting Sergeant
NICOL , William , Sergeant MM
O' CONNOR , Henry , Lieutenant Colonel VD
ORMROD , John , Gunner
OVENSTON , David G , Gunner
PARKIN , Alfred H , Gunner
PATON , Andrew , Gunner
PETRIE , Alexander , Corporal
PORTEOUS , Thomas , Gunner
RAINE , Frederick R , Gunner
RAMM , Clifford , Gunner
RANKEN , George , Lieutenant
RAYNER , Egbert P , Gunner
REID , John McB , Gunner
REID , Robert W , Gunner
REID , William J , Gunner
REILLY , John , Bombardier
RENSHAW , Edmund , Gunner
RICHES , Harry , Gunner
ROBERTSON , Alexander , Gunner
ROBERTSON , Robert , Gunner
ROSS , James F , Gunner
ROXBY , James P , Gunner
RUSSELL , James , Gunner
RUSSELL , Matthew , Gunner
SAIDLER , William T , Lieutenant, attached Royal Flying Corps
SHARP , James J , Gunner
SINCLAIR , John W P , Gunner
SMITH , David C , Gunner
SPENCE , David , Gunner
STEVENSON , George , Gunner
STEVENSON , James , Gunner
STEWART , James , Corporal
SUTHERLAND , Colin , Gunner
TAIT , William , Gunner
TEMPERTON , Percy , Gunner
THOMSON , John , Corporal
THORBURN , James , Captain, attached Royal Flying Corps
TINLIN , John , Gunner
TODD , William , Corporal
TRANTER , William H , Gunner
WATSON , Alexander , Gunner
WHITE , William H , Sergeant
WHYTE , Alexander , Gunner
WILLIAMSON , Andrew , Gunner
WILLIAMSON , James , Gunner
YOUNG , David , Gunner
YOUNG , Peter , Gunner

1939-1945

BAIRD , W , Gunner
FRASER , R , Gunner
GUNN , J , Gunner
HUNTER , T A , Bombardier
McKAY , R R , Gunner
PATERSON , G C , Captain
TAYLOR , N , Gunner


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: My Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Hello people,
this is my first post and it's just to say that the J Tinlin on the plaque in this picture is my Great Grandfather. His name appears on the plaque at Old St.Paul's in Market Street Edinburgh. This was to commemorate the members of the church who fell.

His name is also on the plaque in Waverley Station, this time it's the GNER plaque and My Great Grandfather is listed as a porter.

For the record he was killed at Ypress 16 August 1917

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information Supercat, it's always nice to get a little more detail on someone.

Do you have any other information about him, perhaps a photo?

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

‘Supercat’

Welcome to the forum. Your Great Grandfather is also commemorated on the Canongate War Memorial on the side of the Old Tolbooth on the Royal Mile.

He will also be commemorated in Kirkcaldy on the copy of the Forth RGA plaque there.

If I remember correctly Old St Paul’s has quite a large memorial just inside the main door.

For other forum members her are Gunner Tinlin's details

CWGC details

TINLIN, J J
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery
Unit Text: 39th Siege Bty.
Date of Death: 16/08/1917
Service No: 146635
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. J. 8.
Cemetery: BELGIAN BATTERY CORNER CEMETERY

SNWM details

TINLIN, John
Service Number: 146635
Date Death: 16/08/1917
Place of birth: Edinburgh
Other: formerly 4367 2/5th Forth R.G.A. (T.).
SNWM roll ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY
Rank: Gnr
Theatre of death: F.& F.

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see I have to make several posts before I get to upload anything. It always helps if you read the instructions to new members before spending ages wondering why there is no 'bit to click on' other than the bit marked New members, help and instructions!

I didn't know that my Great Grandfather's name appeared on so many memorials and having researched the family tree quite extensively I know more about John Jarvis Tinlin than I do about myself!

So, without further ado I'll tell you about the man who, up until now, was just another name on a war memorial.

He was born at 5 Richmond Lane, Edinburgh, 2nd May 1884. He married Susan Barnes Bowie in Old St.Paul's Scottish Episcopal Church 14th February 1908 (I have a copy of the statutory notice) and was living at Holyrood Square, Edinburgh.

He is listed, in the Scottish Census 1901, as still living with his father Peter, his older sister Jessie and younger sister Mary at Whitehorse Close. His occupation is listed as 'Billiard Marker' (Although I'm guessing that's been lost in translation. My Great, great, great, great Grandfather George is listed as 'Fintin' in one record and 'Tinline' in another!). Anyhoo, Billiard Marker it is for now and even now I'm wondering if he chalked cues for players at some club, erm ..........

At least we know he was inspired to go and work for GNER and was a porter when he went off to war.

He was a Freemason, I saw his membership card for 1913 which is still in the family.

I'm still researching whether he had any more children other than my granddad Peter and My great Aunt Suzie but that's it for the moment.

There's a tragic story about his father, Peter and a funny story, if it's true, about his son Peter but I'll save them for later posts

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
badboy here, aka Supercat.

Bad experience, funny story, thought I would change which email address I use in my profile! Missus distracted me, I clicked on something I shouldn't have and next thing I knew I couldn't get back in so re-registered. Seemed the easiest option!

So, badboy it is and I'll try not to screw up again!

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other day I said I had a couple of stories to tell so here's the first of them.

As you know John Tinlin was my great grandfather. His dad, Peter Tinlin is someone I'd really like to have met. Born in 1855 he married my great, great grandmother Isabella Rose Polson on 2 Feb 1878. They had three daughters and a son. The oldest daughter, Jessie and their son John (As you know) survived childhood but two daughters died aged two and three. Very tragic.

Worse was to come. Isabella died in 1895 aged 32.

According to the records the family moved house several times and they were staying at 35 Whitehorse Close (Long since demolished) Edinburgh in 1907 when tragedy hit the family again. He died 9 Apr 1907 at 35 Whitehorse Close, Edinburgh District, age 51 [SCVL, The Scotsman, 10 Apr 1907, page 8]. He had chest pains in bed, went to his window (on the top floor of the building), lost his balance, and fell to his death [The Scotsman].

I really must check to see if there was a will at the time and who gained from it. Who knows, there might have been a gentle push! I jest, I'm sure it was a genuine fall but I'm concerned that someone would have their window open so wide on a top floor!

Got a picture of his death notice and cause of death is accidental fall from window.

Somewhere there is a picture of Peter Tinlin and I'm trying to track down which relative has it along with letters written between John Tinlin (Gunnner) and his wife. They speak about 'trouble' with their son Peter (My Grandfather). There is also a letter between John Tinlin and a friend who was in Palestine. In the letter you can tell that they are unhappy about the war and question what it's all about. Interesting stuff.

That's it for now.

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was curious about the small number of names on the WW2 addition to this memorial compared to the large numbers for the Great War. I think I've found some of the names on the CWGC database and it looks like the Forth Gunners listed were serving in other Artillery units when they died. Some were in 'Coast' regiments.

GUNN, JAMES
Rank: Lance Bombardier
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 26 Medium Regt.
Date of Death: 06/08/1944
Service No: 870133
Additional information: Son of David and Jane Gunn; husband of Patricia Gunn, of Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. H. 3.
Cemetery: ANCONA WAR CEMETERY

HUNTER, THOMAS TORY ANDERSON
Rank: Bombardier
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 7 Coast Regt.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 15/02/1942
Service No: 799437
Additional information: Son of John and Edith Hunter; husband of J. Hunter, of Granton, Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 8.
Memorial: SINGAPORE MEMORIAL

MACKAY, ROBERT RIDDLE
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Age: 22
Date of Death: 08/08/1944
Service No: 1431219
Additional information: Son of William and Mary Mackay; husband of Marion Mackay, of Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IX. F. 3.
Cemetery: ST. MANVIEU WAR CEMETERY, CHEUX

PATERSON, GEORGE CARFRAE
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 37 Bty. 16 Coast Regt.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 31/10/1941
Service No: 79227
Additional information: Son of John and Elizabeth Miller Carfrae Paterson, of Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 3. A. 5.
Cemetery: FREETOWN (KING TOM) CEMETERY

TAYLOR, NORMAN
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 12 Coast Regt.
Age: 21
Date of Death: between 01/10/1942 and 02/10/1942
Service No: 881724
Additional information: Son of James and Mary Donaldson Taylor, of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 6.
Memorial: SAI WAN MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an identical memorial in Kirkcaldy. http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=3376

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