The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

Richard Bain · Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Cumnock, Ayrshire

Hello Folks,
Could you put a slot on for Lugar? I've got one or two photos which I could post.

Thanks,
Richard

Richard Bain · Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Cumnock, Ayrshire

Now that I've got the hang of it, here's some I took earlier.

The memorial is in the garden of Lugar Church to the north of the A70 at Craigton Square. What I find interesting is that it also lists the men who returned.

Richard

Adam Brown · Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject:

Richard

Thanks for posting these photos. That's an interesting memorial. It looks like the two plaques don't belong together on the same memorial. Was the white plaque in a church before? There's something odd about this one.

Have you any close ups of the metal work on the top plaque? there seems to be quite a lot of detail there.

Adam

Richard Bain · Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Cumnock, Ayrshire

Hi Adam,
I'll need to get the ladders out, but don't worry it will be done. I'll also have a dig around and find out about the history of the memorial.

Richard

Adam Brown · Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

Richard

Please don't put yourself out, and don't take any risks up ladders!

I would be grateful if you could find out more about it's history though,m I'm intrigued.

Regards

Adam

Richard Bain · Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Cumnock, Ayrshire

Hello Adam,
As promised a while ago, here are some photos of the metal work on the Lugar Memorial.

As you can see, we've got a crouching lion, flags (one topped with a wreath), a stylised helmet and some cannon along with an anchor entwined with a wreath.

Richard
_________________
My Great Uncles
Pte George Gibson 9th Cameronians died 28/12/16 at Arras
Pte James Lawson 6th Cameron Hldrs. died 21/3/18 at Monchy
Kirkcaldy WM

Richard Bain · Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Cumnock, Ayrshire

Better late than never!
This memorial was moved from its original site on the main road in 1994. It stood next to the "institute" and was suffering from the effects of vehicular pollution so it was moved several hundred yards back into the church garden.
Richard
_________________
My Great Uncles
Pte George Gibson 9th Cameronians died 28/12/16 at Arras
Pte James Lawson 6th Cameron Hldrs. died 21/3/18 at Monchy
Kirkcaldy WM

DelBoy · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject: Memorial Transcription

Angus, R.E.
Baillie, T.
Baird, C.
Begg, J.
Begg, W. - M.M.
Cairney, A.
Cairney, D.
Cairney, H.
Carson, J.
Crowley, M.
Geekie, A.
Glencorse, J.
Kinnear, H.
Lundie, R.
Morris, J.
Muir, W.
Murdoch, H.
Patrick, J.
Patrick, W.
Scott, J.
Smith, J.M.
Surgeoner, W.
Williamson, H.
Wright, W.
Wylie, J.

Tonym · Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 224 Location: East Sussex

The tablet commemorating the "Sons & Daughters" of Lugar I had to find the lady but a CWGC search did not produce a lady casualty with those surnames and initials. However for the benefit of the thread I did find , all on his own -

Name: SURGEONER, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Service No: S/13494
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 119 to 124.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL

MOORE, J. - had 538 names with a high percentage of Scottish Regiments.
SCOTT, J - had 510 with quite a few
SMITH, J.M. - I left to last for obvious reasons and there was only 36

But no lady.

Tony
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Pte. W. BROWN, Middlesex Regiment, K.I.A Battle of The Somme.
Sgt. J. V. MURPHY, The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, D.O.W Monte Cassino, Italy.

spoons · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:53 pm Post subject:

The wording is sons and daughters who served.

So I guess the females all survived. This is a memorial to all, not just those who were killed.

I like that wording, not seen anything quite like it before.

\Paul

DelBoy · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: Pte. James Glencorse

Only one J. Glencorse on CWGC.

CWGC
Name: GLENCORSE
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 10th/11th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 11/04/1917
Service No: 41636
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. John Glencorse, of 445, Brick Row, Luthar, Ayrshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. 8.
Cemetery: ORANGE TRENCH CEMETERY, MONCHY-LE-PREUX

SNWM
Surname: GLENCORSE
Firstname: James
Service Number: 41636
Date Death: 11/04/1917
Place of birth: Auchinleck Ayrshire
Other: 10/11th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Rank: Pte

DelBoy · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: Pte. Thomas Baillie

CWGC
Name: BAILLIE
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 02/10/1918
Service No: 203733
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 12.
Cemetery: MASNIERES BRITISH CEMETERY, MARCOING

SNWM
Surname: BAILLIE
Firstname: Thomas
Service Number: 203733
Date Death: 02/10/1918
Place of birth: Lugar Ayrshire
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
Rank: Pte

DelBoy · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: Pte. Charles Baird

CWGC
Name: BAIRD, CHARLES
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 09/05/1915
Service No: S/14291
Additional information: Son of the late Robert and Sarah Baird.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 41 and 42.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: BAIRD
Firstname: Charles
Service Number: S/14291
Date Death: 09/05/1915
Place of birth: Lugar Ayrshire
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte

DelBoy · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: Pte. James Carson

CWGC
Name: CARSON, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Date of Death: 18/10/1916
Service No: S/13479
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 15 B.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: CARSON
Firstname: James
Service Number: S/13479
Date Death: 18/10/1916
Place of birth: Auchinleck Lugar Ayrshire
Other: 5th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte

DelBoy · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: Cpl. William Patrick

CWGC
Name: PATRICK
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 12th Bn.
Date of Death: 03/05/1917
Service No: 8522
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XVIII. H. 7.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: PATRICK
Firstname: William
Service Number: 8522
Date Death: 03/05/1917
Place of birth: Lugar Ayrshire
Other: 12th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Rank: Cpl