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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Preston Recreation Rooms (T*) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref No. not listed
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a transcription of thenames. I haven't got the dates on this transcription:

1914-1918

BURNS , John G , Private , 11th Bn Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
CLAPHAM , Robert , Lance Corporal , King's Own Scottish Borderers
FORREST , Alexander L , Signaller , 11tth Bn Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
HALL , William , Private , Scottish Rifles
HENDERSON , Alexander C , Private , 10/11th Bn Highland Light Infantry
JOHNSTON , Wellwood M , Sergeant , 4th Bn King's Own Scottish Borderers
JOHNSTON , William , Sergeant , 3rd Bn Coldstream Guards
LEITHEAD , Robert , Private , 2nd Bn King's Own Scottish Borderers
MURRAY , Charles , Private , Canadian Expeditionary Force
SIMPSON , Henry , Private , 7th Bn Highland Light Infantry

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Merseman



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 3 of the names on this memorial appear on the civic memorial found on the opposite side of the road (Burns and the Johnstons): while 4 of the others are found on the civic memorial in the neighbouring parish of Duns and another 2 on the civic memorial at Greenlaw.

However, the village of Preston is at the extreme southerly limit of Bonkyl parish - barely are you past the 30mph signs at the foot of the village and you cross the boundary. At the foot of this slope was Cumledge Mill which although but a row of cottages nowadays was once a notable place due to the Cumledge Mill blanket factory. (Alongwith the papermill at Chirnside it was one of only 2 'proper' factories in Berwickshire in the first half of 20th Century). A short history of Cumledge Mill can be found here:
http://www.dunsehistorysociety.co.uk/cumledge.shtml

To give some more perspective it's only a couple of hundred metres from Cumledge Mill to Preston, but it is over 3 kilometres to Duns up steep hills.


Of the 4, both Simpson and Forrest are known to be from Cumledge Mill... the other pair may have also lived in the vicinity or worked at the Mill and thus used the recreation rooms? Hall and Clapham are more of a mystery as it is quite a way from Greenlaw (where their parents are noted to have lived as well as where they appear on the civic memorial) to Preston, and the Coldstream History Society website states Hall worked at Tyninghame in Haddingtonshire before the war. Perhaps they worked here in the years leading up to 1914.

Preston Recreation Rooms were built in 1911. Although known universally as 'Preston Village Hall', it is still registered at OSCR as 'Preston & District Reading & Recreation Room Association'.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That leaves the real mystery as Private Charles Murray. This from CWGC:

MURRAY, CHARLES
Rank:Private
Service No:1233
Date of Death:17/01/1918
Age:25
Regiment/Service:Canadian Infantry
4th Bn.
Grave ReferenceSec. 7. Lot 73.
CemeteryTORONTO (PROSPECT) CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of the late John and Janet Murray.



As far as I am aware, he does not appear on any of the Berwickshire civil memorials.

Perhaps he lived in or around Preston, or even worked in Cumledge Mills, before emigrating? It would be interesting if anyone could discover more - the fact he died while in Toronto is also interesting.


It's worth adding that Preston is the village but Bonkyl is the church. Back in history there was a village at Bonkyl, between the castle (now a mound of earth) and the church (still extant and now alone alongside the manse), as well as a parish of Preston, with its own church. The two were united in 1621, and Preston church was abandoned in the early 1700s and is now a ruin. Both churchyards are still in use, but for the last 300 years or so the parishioners of Preston village have had to trek out to Bonkyl church of a Sunday for worship. There are also numerous spelling variations in use to recent times including Buncle, Bunkle, Bonkill and Bonkyl. Sometimes you see documents give the parish as Preston, sometimes Bonkyl, sometimes Bonkyl & Preston.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A photo of Charles Murray's grave marker is at:
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/virtualmem/photos/425755
Interesting that some Canadian records show his age as 35 but the gravestone and CWGC show 25.
It's a pity that his attestation papers are not on LAC as his service number would appear to indicate a very early enlistment.
I wonder if he was wounded and evacuated back to Canada.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=208367&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=hmk3fk8ah2c8hl80pfp72kc2e4
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This absolutely exquisite roll is mounted prominently in the main hall. It is really magnificent.

34 men who served and returned are named.

10 who died - same 10 on the tablet outside - have photos and other info.








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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRESTON
RECREATION
HALL
ROLL OF HONOUR

On this Roll are inscribed the names of Members
who served in the Great European War

1914 - 1918

War Declared August 4th 1914
Armistice Signed November 11th 1918
Peace Signed June 28th 1919



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Private Henry Simpson
HLI
Killed in France
September 27th 1918
Aged 19




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Private Alex C Henderson
HLI
Killed
April 9th 1918
Aged 19




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Private Charles Murray
Canadians
Died in Toronto
June 17th 1918
Aged 35




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Sergeant William Johnstone
Coldstream Guards
Killed in France
October 9th 1917
Aged 25




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Sergeant Alex Forrest
A&S Highlanders
Killed in France
April 9th 1917
Aged 27

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private John C Burns
A&S Highlanders
Killed in France
April 6th 1918
Aged 27




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Private Robert Leithead
KOSB
Killed in France
October 4th 1917
Aged 32




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Sergeant Wellwood M Johnstone
KOSB
Killed Dardanelles
July 12th 1915
Aged 25




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Sergeant Robert Clapham
KOSB
Killed Dardanelles
July 12th 1915
Aged 28




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Private William Hall
Scottish Rifles
Killed in France
29th October 1916
Aged 27




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(Potraits posted in clockwise order starting from bottom left)
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:50 am    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) number Reply with quote

The external memorial is WMR 76385

The internal memorial is WMR 76386
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