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Nether Lochaber (or Innis Na Birlinn) WW2

 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Nether Lochaber (or Innis Na Birlinn) WW2 Reply with quote

Came across this wee memorial and it seems to be known of under a couple of different names.

Nether Lochaber and Innis Na Birlinn (which is the name of the cemetery in which it is located).

The cemetery is situated on the A82 road a few hundred yards from the Corran (or Nether Lochaber) Ferry and contains 1 CWGC Burial, that of Pte. John Patrick, Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, died 15th January 1945, see:
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?p=24044&mforum=scottishwargraves#24044

As far as I can see, the memorial is not listed on UKNIWM.

Canmore lists it as follows:

Nether Lochaber Memorial (WW2)
Alternative Names Innis Na Birlinn
Site Type WAR MEMORIAL (20TH CENTURY)
Canmore ID 320535
Site Number NN06SW 45
NGR NN 02716 64410
Council HIGHLAND
Parish KILMALLIE
Former Region HIGHLAND
Former District LOCHABER
Former County INVERNESS-SHIRE
Datum OSGB36 - NGR


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note the discrepancies (highlighted in red) between the inscription, CWGC & SNWM.

CWGC:
McGIBBON, DUGALD
Rank: Lance Corporal
Service No: 2984100
Date of Death: 07/09/1943
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: 2. J. 9.
Cemetery: Kanchanaburi War Cemetery
Additional Information: Son of Dugald and May McGibbon, of Onich, Inverness-shire.

SNWM:
Surname McGIBBON
Firstname Dugal
Service number 2984100
Date of death 07/09/1943
Place of birth Argyllshire
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS (PRINCESS LOUISE'S)
Rank L Cpl
Theatre of death Malaya

Inscription: Surname MacGibbon, Date of Death 27/09/1943

CWGC:
CAMERON, HUGH
Rank: Private
Service No: 14214531
Date of Death: 03/06/1944
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: York and Lancaster Regiment, 1st Bn.
Grave Reference: XIX. B. 4.
Cemetery: Beach Head War Cemetery, Anzio
Additional Information: Son of Alexander and Christina Cameron, of Fort William, Inverness-shire.

SNWM:
Surname CAMERON
Firstname Hugh
Service number 14214531
Date of death 03/06/1944
Place of birth Inverness-shire
Other The York & Lancaster Regiment
SNWM roll SCOTSMEN IN VARIOUS UNITS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death Italy

Inscription: Date of Death 23/06/1943

CWGC:
NEIL, JAMES
Rank: Private
Service No: 2980669
Date of Death: 18/04/1945
Age: 32
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 8th Bn.
Grave Reference: I, B, 3.
Cemetery: Argenta Gap War Cemetery
Additional Information:

SNWM:
Surname NEIL
Firstname James
Service number 2980669
Date of death 18/04/1945
Place of birth Argyllshire
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS (PRINCESS LOUISE'S)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death Italy

CWGC:
McINNES, JOHN
Rank: Seaman Steward
Service No: LT/JX 199153
Date of Death: 23/01/1941
Age: 45
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Patrol Service, H.M. Yacht Fanetha IV.
Panel Reference: Panel 7, Column 3.
Memorial: Lowestoft Naval Memorial
Additional Information: Son of Donald and Catherine McInnes.

SNWM:
Surname McINNES
Firstname John
Service number LT/JX199153
Date of death 23/01/1941
Place of birth Inverness-shire
SNWM roll ROYAL NAVY AND ROYAL MARINES
Rank Seaman Stwd
Theatre of death R.N.P.S. H.M.S. Janetha IV. Tilbury.

The following link is to the Royal Naval Patrol Service Memorial and shows John McInnes on Panel 7, Column 3. (H.M.S. Janetha IV)

http://www.rnps.lowestoft.org.uk/memorial/panels/panel_7.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well spotted Anne. That is unusual to have a civic war memorial as a grave. I don't think I'e seen that before.

CWGC is wrong in the last entry. The yacht was Janetha, not Fanetha.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Nether Lochaber (or Innis Na Birlinn) WW2 Reply with quote

Why could the memorial not be wrong?

Dugal - Dugald , McGibbon - MacGibbon could be either, but I will get CWGC looked at, they may be due to a scanning error, if wrong. The family will have checked this detail. Other records have the same date as CWGC

Cameron - The inscription must be wrong as I don't think we had soldiers near Anzio in 1943.

H.M. Yacht Fanetha - will check.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apanderson wrote:
Note the discrepancies (highlighted in red) between the inscription, CWGC & SNWM.

CWGC:
McGIBBON, DUGALD
Rank: Lance Corporal
Service No: 2984100
Date of Death: 07/09/1943
Age: 21
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: 2. J. 9.
Cemetery: Kanchanaburi War Cemetery
Additional Information: Son of Dugald and May McGibbon, of Onich, Inverness-shire.

SNWM:
Surname McGIBBON
Firstname Dugal
Service number 2984100
Date of death 07/09/1943
Place of birth Argyllshire
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS (PRINCESS LOUISE'S)
Rank L Cpl
Theatre of death Malaya

Inscription: Surname MacGibbon, Date of Death 27/09/1943


Named Dugal in the War Return, he died of Acute Enteritis.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Nether Lochaber (or Innis Na Birlinn) WW2 Reply with quote

Del

Can you mail the return to me please? His NOK may have changed the name, i'm interested in the date
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The inscription may well be wrong.

I highlighted the discrepancies to illustrate how recordings can vary and on this one, considering there's only 4 names - there's variations on 3 of them.

I wasn't trying to pick out any one source as being wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Nether Lochaber (or Innis Na Birlinn) WW2 Reply with quote

Quote:
I wasn't trying to pick out any one source as being wrong.


Anne

I didn't think that for a minute, but CWGC are interested in any errors in their records being corrected. Thanks for highlighting these.
Names with Mc / Mac are always an issue and it is highly unlikely they would ever change this as both versions were often used by the same family. In the McGibbon case I am aware that the CWCG detail of the surname is what appeared in the original record. Bear in mind his NOK, likely his parents, have checked and approved this detail, along with their own names, twice. If, as seems to be the case, the date of death is wrong it will be corrected when they have the evidence to hand.

Some errors in the CWGC record, like the H.M. Yacht Fanetha IV. detail, will be quickly corrected if examination confirms an error. Some of these, like here, came about when the old records were scanned into a modern digital format some years ago.

Your findings again demonstrates that memorials, like local papers, etc, can be wrong.

Update
The date of death on the memorial for McGibbon is wrong, the correct date of death was 7th September 1945.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:09 am    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) number Reply with quote

WMR 69535
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