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jamiemcginlay



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: MONIMAIL Reply with quote

Monimail - Fife
UKNIWM Ref No. 44313

The Monimail war memorial takes the form of bronze tablets set into the faces of the pillars at the Monimail Old Cemetery gateway. The memorial is located at central road junction down track to kirkyard gates.
The commemoration reads:
(PLAQUE 1)
1914 - 1918
ERECTED BY THE PARISH OF MONIMAIL
IN MEMORY OF
(NAMES)
(PLAQUE 2)
(NAMES)
'THEIR NAMES LIVETH
FOR EVERMORE'



WWI ROLL OF HONOUR (listed alphabetically, names on the memorial are listed by rank):
BATMAN ROBERT PRIVATE
BENNETT ADAM ADDISON PRIVATE
BROWN JAMES GUNNER
BUUTERCASE ROBERT DINGWALL LIEUTENANT
COTTRELL DORMER C. LIEUTENANT
COTTRELL DORMER C.M. LIEUTENANT
DONALDSON ALEXANDER PRIVATE
DUNCAN GEORGE PRIVATE
HAY JAMES ALEXANDER PRIVATE
HEGGIE HARRY PRIVATE
HOGGAN ARCHIBALD PRIVATE
HOPE GEORGE E. LIEUTENANT COLONEL
MACKIE CHARLES LANCE CORPORAL
MCLAREN ROBERT PRIVATE
MILLIE STEWART CORPORAL
MOIR TOM BOMBADIER
REID JAMES FAIRLEY PRIVATE
WILSON ROBERT HOGG PRIVATE



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
LAW JOHN PRIVATE
LINDSAY PHILIP PRIVATE
RENNIE T.G. MAJOR GENERAL C.B. D.S.O. M.B.E.
ROBERTSON ANDREW GUNNER
TAIT JOSEPH LIEUTENANT
TAIT KENNEDY SERGEANT
WATSON IAN PRIVATE
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clarkc_bpo



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for this Jamie. I've been ambling around the Cupar area in search of the right memorial as my gt-gt uncle was Pte Alexander Donaldson, Black Watch, as listed on this memorial. I had tried Springfield, hence my own post, but this has saved me loads of time. Many thanks once again, I'll be able to nip up there myself soon.

kind regards
Clark
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clarkc_bpo



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi again all,

Dragged the wife and kids up to Monimail to see for myself my gt-gt-uncle Pt Alexander Donaldson's name. They were bored, so I gave them the blood and gore stuff about going over the top (etc) that tends to enliven such childish behaviour.

The kids liked the story too....

Here are the shots I took and hope they add to Jim's earlier posting :









regards,
Clark
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jamiemcginlay



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Clark,
Great photos and hope you didn't scare the kids too much, espescially with all the fireworks going off!

Is this your man?
Name: DONALDSON
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 01/11/1915
Service No: S/7991
Additional information: Husband of Catherine Donaldson, of Hilton of Carslogie, Cupar, Fife.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. L. 6.
Cemetery: MERVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

It would be great if you could post a photograph of him or any more info.
Cheers.
Jim
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Adam Brown
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's Major General Tom Rennie there as well.

Rennie was commanding the 51st (Highland) Division when a German mortar landed on his jeep.

RENNIE, TOM GORDON
Rank: Major General
Regiment/Service: General Staff
Unit Text: Cdg. 51st (Highland) Div.
Secondary Regiment: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Age: 45
Date of Death: 24/03/1945
Awards: C B, D S O, M B E
Additional information: Son of the late Dr. T. Rennie and Mrs. Rennie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 61. D. 1.
Cemetery: REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY
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clarkc_bpo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't yet have any photos of Alexander Donaldson but I'm trawling through family sources too see if I can get some.

He was a ploughman on the Hilton of Carslogie farm, nbear Bow of Fife (about 5miles from Cupar). I searched through old newspapers at Cupar librbary and found that he joined up in January 1915. He would thus be a volunteer as married men were not yet 'deemed to be enlisted' by default. His medal record index card shows that he arrived in France in June. He was injured on the 28th October and died of his wounds at the hospital in the hospital sometime between the 30th and the 2nd Nov, depending on different reports/sources.

regards
Clark
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clarkc_bpo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, I meant to say also that Yes, thats my gt-gt-uncle !

Cheers !
Clark
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nemesis



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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Pte Donaldson Reply with quote

Clark I have located your uncles and memorial plaque and medals on a dealers website
Regards
Max
St Andrews
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clarkc_bpo



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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Max,

I'd love to get my hands on them, and have pm'd you for more details if you can !

regards, and many thanks in advance
Clark
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Roxy
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed the unusual name 'Cottrell Dormer' and couldn't help but look them up on CWGC. They don't appear to have much of a connection with Fife!

Name: COTTRELL-DORMER, CLEMENT
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 26/10/1914
Additional information: Son of Captain Charles and Mrs Ursula Cottrell-Dormer, of Rousham, Steeple Aston, Oxon. Educated at Eton. Joined 1911. His brother Charles Melville Cottrell-Dormer also fell.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 11.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

Name: COTTRELL-DORMER, CHARLES MELVILLE
Initials: C M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards
Unit Text: No. 3 Coy. 3rd Bn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 08/02/1915
Awards: D S O
Additional information: Son of Capt. Charles and Mrs. Ursula Cottrell-Dormer, of Rousham, Steeple Aston, Oxford. His brother Clement also fell.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 7.
Cemetery: BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY

Any ideas why they are commemorated at Monimail?

Roxy
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Remembering my ggf, Pte Thomas Roberts, 10 SR, killed 25 Sep 15 at Loos.
Also remembering Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 killed 2 Sep 06 in Afghanistan.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a bit of 'googling' but all I could find out was that the 2 Cottrell-Dormers had a brother who was imprisoned by the Germans during the Great War and their uncle (Maximillian) was married at St Andrew's Episcopal Church (to Helen Allen - no offspring noted). The family come from Rousham in Oxon - a Cottrell-Dormer still resides there and is a local councillor.

Roxy
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Also remembering Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 killed 2 Sep 06 in Afghanistan.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Pte Donalsdon Reply with quote

Hi all,

Thanks to Max (see earlier posts) who alerted me to their availability, the medals of Pte Alexander Donaldson, Black Watch, are coming home to his family. I made the purchase last night and expect to receive them in the next day or so. I'll forgive myself for being a bit emotional about it all, and those of you on this forum will no doubt understand in any case.

kind regards
Clark
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David McNay
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clark,

That's great news. I know how proud I am to have my fathers WW2 medals, so I understand how this can feel.

Regards,

David
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Roxy
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, Clark!

Roxy
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Also remembering Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 killed 2 Sep 06 in Afghanistan.
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DelBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Batman to Bateman Reply with quote

There is only one "Batman" listed on CWGC and he is William, a Corporal in the Essex Regt. There is also a one "Battman".

Private Robert Batman on this memorial is likely one of the following two Robert Bateman's listed on CWGC.

S/6808 2nd Btn Gordons (born Dundee)
43079 6th/7th R.S.F. (born Linlithgow)

Cheers,
Derek.
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